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Yeah of course, go on... it's not that I asked anything...

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ut you have to choose something and believe in something

Why?

I meant, if you want to explain the existence. If you don't, you certainly don't have to believe in anyting. :lol:

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3.I do believe he created it, because it had to appear here somehow, and NOT BY ITSELF, because EVERY SINGLE MATERIAL THING was created by something or someone! God is not BEING, he's a... "force". I don't know how else to call that. I mean, every "being" is material thing, and God is not. And I can know it was created by him because there's no other explanation how everything became. If he is evil, we wouldn't have the lives. We wouldn't be created at all. We couldn't choose between the good and bad path in our lives. ANYTHING.


Well we don't know is there a beginning or an end but our logic just gives us the idea that it has to be that way.
Theres no other explanation? There are hundreds of theories both religional and scientifical.
And do we really choose between good and bad paths? if so you wuld also say there is only one true morale. So then you also say other religions and cultures may be wrong in their morales just as yours.
And then we come to what good and evil really are? Why does god know it? Is our morale based on the fact thatif god is bigger and stronger and he can punish us the right thing to do is what he says. That is the morale thinking of a child (at least some psychological theories think that way.)

Here's the most simple example: forget the God for a moment. Let's all imagine he doesn't exist. Is it good or bad thing to kill someone? To take someone's life? To kill a child? To steal somebody's things? To hurt somebody? Religion says that the God will punish us for that when the time has come to leave this Earth. But I've got one logical proof that he can "punish" us for that even when we are still on Earth: does the murderer feel fine and calm after he kills someone? Or, before or after, he feels poor, small, because he took someone's life? Even if it's not the God who makes us feel bad after doing something bad, that's still quite good proof of what's good and what's bad. So, your question "what good and evil really are" has a really good answer. No one kills someone and think he had done a good thing, That's not just about God. But someone (God) makes us KNOW that difference between those two!

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On Bible? Well... Logically thinking, there's no other explanation of the world we live in, so I think it's true

isn't this another proof that people take just what they are given.
Bible may ben important cultural book but it is also full of superstition pure crap and lies and none of you follow it's commands word by word since it is not the source of our morale.
There are thousands of holy books out there and there are other explanations out there. Each religion and mythology has it's own. Scandinavian people used to belive that people were created from the sweat of giants and they had just as much proofs as christians do.

They didn't have as much proofs as Christians do. This is why:
Giants are material creatures. (This convinces us that someone must've created them!) If we were created by the material creatures, we would be able to see them. But have you ever met the giant? No. So, there's no real proof of that theory. But Chritians believe that we can't really see the God. So it's possible.

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Because the other religions haven't got PROOFS but we have.. We have angels, saints and more other HOLY

You don't have the proofs greeks had. They had minotaurs centaurs satyrs and mythical heroes blessed by olympian gods. How is that different. They even knew the exact location of their gods.
Other religions have just as much proofs. Buddha for example was enlightened and saw beyond this world is that not a proof? For me it is not any more of a proof than christian ones.

About the Greeks, I know the whole Greek mythology and I can tell you it's only a mythology, for the same reason I said about the Scandinavian one: if you don't believe me, climb on Olimp and see for your self that there are no Gods. Anyway, if you meet one, please take a picture of it and show me! :lol: Also, go into the wood and look for centaur-I'm sure you won't come across one! :D

So, -Mayhem-, would you be so kind and take a look at this site I've just found? And than tell me your contra-arguments?
http://klassenp.tripod.com/proof.html

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You don't have the proofs greeks had. They had minotaurs centaurs satyrs and mythical heroes blessed by olympian gods. How is that different. They even knew the exact location of their gods.
Other religions have just as much proofs. Buddha for example was enlightened and saw beyond this world is that not a proof? For me it is not any more of a proof than christian ones.


No, the greek mythology is only a MYTH... I am greek!! And I know better than you! The Gods of Mythology (Zeus, Ira, Apollon and more..) are only a MYTH...


So you know better?
Why is christianity not a myth?
What is the difference. The mythology used to be a religion you know.

I have studied greek mythology so I am quite confident in knowing a thing or two about it so no need to question me.

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My name is Andreas, and many times I saw the Saint Andreas in my dreams and gives me courage.... And He was exactly as our religion know Him on pictures... So, if he wasn't real, who is he?


I just watched a great document about dreams. Do you even know what happens during your dreams?
It is more of a simulator.

I have seen many people in my dreams but that doesn't make me belive my dreams had a meaning.


The most times, the dreams are not true... But sometimes, maybe they are a kind of warning... And sometimes they are absolutely real!


Oh really :|

What do you base this on and why do ytou think you know it better than the best experts who have studied dreams for all their life?

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The God never punish someone.... He just judge him by his actions... And if you don't know something, DON'T TALK.. Just say your opinion and nothing else more....


Thats not the way he introduces himslef in the old testament you know.
Job (or whatever he is called in english) was pretty much tortured by god accoring to bible.


That shows, that you read a wrong bible.... The God is not a PUNISHER... But a GOOD POWERFULL FORCE, who helps and judge absolutly right and without evil....


What are you talking about? :|

Do you not call hell punishment for your sins?

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God makes us praying for his help to be sure we still believe in his powers. Why would HE help someone who doesn't believe in him? I wouldn't help my enemy.

Yeah that may be a good point but on the other hand isn't absolutely good creature supposed to help everyone.


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Because we were all supposed to have a perfect life, but the same WE ruined that first idea

Well the story about paradise can be no more than a myth.

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I meant, if you want to explain the existence. If you don't, you certainly don't have to believe in anyting

Yeah I think that makes more sense :lol:

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does the murderer feel fine and calm after he kills someone?

Well I understand the point but there is an exception: mentally diseased do and I don't think it would be because god would spare them.

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No one kills someone and think he had done a good thing

If you had the chance to kill hitler before he rose to power would you do it? and Wouldn't you feel good for saving tens of millions?
(and yes this is utliliarism that is not exactly supported by 100% of human beings)

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makes us KNOW that difference between those two!

So we alrady know what is good and wrong but that does not explain why we all take the wrong choise. Especially if we already knew what was going to be the right choise. There is still no answer to where our morale comes from and there are dozens of supported theories.

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About the Greeks, I know the whole Greek mythology and I can tell you it's only a mythology, for the same reason I said about the Scandinavian one: if you don't believe me, climb on Olimp and see for your self that there are no Gods. Anyway, if you meet one, please take a picture of it and show me! Also, go into the wood and look for centaur-I'm sure you won't come across one!


Like socrates thought: Just because I haven't seen something doesn't mean it could not exist (and no that is no real argument :lol: ) And just as Berkley said even if I did see it I still could not know does it exist or not.

Mythology of course is different but what really separates superstition and religion?

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Do you not call hell punishment for your sins?


A ban is

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You don't have the proofs greeks had. They had minotaurs centaurs satyrs and mythical heroes blessed by olympian gods. How is that different. They even knew the exact location of their gods.
Other religions have just as much proofs. Buddha for example was enlightened and saw beyond this world is that not a proof? For me it is not any more of a proof than christian ones.


No, the greek mythology is only a MYTH... I am greek!! And I know better than you! The Gods of Mythology (Zeus, Ira, Apollon and more..) are only a MYTH...


So you know better?
Why is christianity not a myth?
What is the difference. The mythology used to be a religion you know.

I have studied greek mythology so I am quite confident in knowing a thing or two about it so no need to question me.

I answered on that question, take a better look on what I wrote :) I said something about the difference between myths and Christianity.

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OK I'm only saying this once: if you don't believe in the Lord and all the miracles, you'll go to hell.

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OK I'm only saying this once: if you don't believe in the Lord and all the miracles, you'll go to hell.

YEAH!!! :D

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OK I'm only saying this once: if you don't believe in the Lord and all the miracles, you'll go to hell.

Or then on the other hand I could be reincarnated as a cow thanks to not believing in all the false religions :lol:

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