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millions of years


According to bible world ain't even a million years old :roll:

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Ohh, -Mayhem-, how you like to discuss things you don't know... It IS, much MORE than a million... But the years are counting since Jesus was born... :roll:

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The HOLY books "Bible", "old testament" and "New Testament" are the history of the Orthodox Christianism... Anything you want to know, about the christian religion you will find it on these books...


Yeah and I can read how you have to kill people who are accused of adultry or homosexuality.
I can also read how god commanded his people to kill several villages of all living things.
And of course I can read how jesus said that when your eye seduces you then you should rip it off.

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Ohh, -Mayhem-, how you like to discuss things you don't know... It IS, much MORE than a million... But the years are counting since Jesus was born... :roll:


Go ahead and check what bible says.
I haven't chekced that part personally but our religion teacher brought out this point several times.

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But the years are counting since Jesus was born... :roll:

Oh and when was that? Oh it is just 4BC (Yeah BC)

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I don't precisely know when was the world created, but it was LONG BEFORE Christ. And Christ was born precisely 2010 years ago.

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David Hume was a philosopher and an historian, and also a skeptic of any evolutionary theory.
A Skeptic's Dictionary - contains an outline of Hume's views on miracles
The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy's article "Modern Skepticism" - discusses Hume's skepticism
Basically, David Hume's beliefs include:
There is no objective reality
There is no way to really tell what something is caused by, or what something causes.
There is not necessarily continuity of nature -- who really knows if the sun will come up tomorrow?


Yeah my old buddy DH and his quillotine.
He had critics even in his own time and one theory of one philosopher is quite not a proof.

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1.There was a Jesus of Nazareth.
Ossuaries (bones in jars) have been found with notes that said "Jesus help me" from times when Jesus was alive.
Documentary evidence
Josephus - Antiques of the Jews
Tecitus - Annals
Surtonius - Claudius
Sanhedrin - Tulmud

Yes he was a historical character sure...

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2. Gospels are reasonably historically accurate.
They are written by eye-witnesses, or recorded testimony of eye-witnesses.
They are written in close time to the events that were recorded.
They are accurate when compared to other contemporary documents (peoples' titles, etc.)

Yeah just a few hundered years late.
There even was a gospel where jesus killed a dragon but it was cut out just like dozens of other gospels.
Only one of the writers actually lived when Jesus was alive and people still argue about is that really even him.

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3.Jesus thought he was God.
He claimed to forgive sins. (Mark 2:10)
He said, "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30)
He answered "yes" to the question at his trial, "Are you the Christ the son of God?" (Matt 26:63)

What kind of proof is that. If I belive to be a god then am I?

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4.Jesus either was God or wasn't, and he either knew who he was or didn't.
If Jesus is God and knows it, he is LORD.
If Jesus is God and doesn't know it, that is absurd.
If Jesus isn't God, and says he is, he is a liar.
If Jesus isn't God, and doesn't know who he is, he is a lunatic.

What to add he says it all himself.

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5.Jesus said he would prove that he was God by rising from the dead. (Matt 12:40)

That is not a fact. Just because people who believed in him wrote so doesn't mean he personally said that.

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6.Jesus was crucified by Pontius Pilat and did die on the cross. (John 19:33-34)

That is a fact however

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7.On the third day after Jesus died on the cross, his tomb was empty.

On the third thousanth day after Cheops died his tomb was empty too.
Grave robbers are quite usual you know and afterall we don't really even know if he was ever taken to that tomb.

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8.Jesus was seen alive by more than 500 people.

Yeah just like there are 18 apostles out of twelve buried in germany.

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9.His disciples came to believe he was God.
They did not expect him to die.
They did not expect him to rise from the dead.
They were Jews to whom the idea of a God-man was incredible.

Yeah and hundreds of millions came to believe to hindu teachings.
Believing is not a proof of anything. Majority is not always right that is a logical fact.

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10.The explanation that Jesus rose from the dead is the most reasonable explanation of data

My philosophy teacher would lagh just about now.

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11.If Jesus told the truth when he claimed he would rise from the dead, it is reasonable to believe he told the truth when he claimed to be God.

If I say you can have both cake and cookies and give you cake you are more likely to believe that you will also have cookies but that doens't mean you will.

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12.If Jesus is God of the universe, he should be God of my life -- and yours!

Even at the end they break the logic of deduction :roll:

These arguments were pretty poor really.
This is one of the reasons why I find it really hard to understand american christianity. :|

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I don't precisely know when was the world created, but it was LONG BEFORE Christ. And Christ was born precisely 2010 years ago.


Well the universe is (according to scientists) 14 billion years old and Earth about 4,5 billion years.
Bible goes for 10000 (if I remember correct)(oh and +2000-3000)

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Honestly, I don't know that.

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And how can scientists know for sure???

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